Imperial Hero International
General Category => Questions => Topic started by: Sanosama on October 21, 2009, 10:42:07 PM
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LALALALALALALALA said I was being mean re posted at bottom
you are warning
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all topic which are insulting game administrators or other people will be deleted
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You guys first make all normal fighting monsters in all levels with a Super monster in it that has double the attack power and health of the others.
you leave the multi-staged dungeons alone so we have a place to go when we High tier 4 players keep getting are asses kicked by lv 30 monsters
NOW you LOCKED the multi staged dungeons until we take a quest that is not in the only tier 4 Tavern in the whole game.
this is a Joke right happy Halloween we got you.... no you guys really did this on purpose? Well from the bottom of my sarcastic heart let me be the one to say Thanks really thank you this is what I want to do play a game that is designed to piss you off.
its bad enough you force rangers and mages to use a stat We don't need like strength but this tops the cake for me happy update everyone yeaaa *suicide*
There No insults :P
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I do not need to answer to you but i feel to do it.
First the game are at beta stage (alpha and beta servers) so when we join we knew that we'll be something like guinea pigs for the programmers.
Also the strength requirements are needed coz there are kick ass rangers with 10 strength (means they can not even throw their javelin 10 meters) which was blowing the game balance. Your post makes me think that you are one of them. Also if there are many posts condemning the new module i am pretty sure that the programmers will do the necessary changes, there is no need to be rough on them. Also that you do not have access to multi-stage dungeons is not the end of the world there are so many other dungeons, or you can take the quest.
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Also that you do not have access to multi-stage dungeons is not the end of the world there are so many other dungeons, or you can take the quest.
That's my point of this the regular dungeons are Filled with a super monster the programmers added a little while back simple missions 2 lv 30-32 monsters can now KILL a lv 39 ranger that's one sided its unfair.
the multi staged dungeons were the only fair thing left and You can no longer use them without a quest you tell me to take a quest But THERE ARE NO QUEST
I know that there is a need to fix the bugs I am pointing out that there needs to be more thought put into these things instead of just doing it and fixing the problems after this is a game for consumers your profit comes from people paying for diamonds and when you upset the paying customers it hurts your revenue. and yes this is a Beta but still one of the programmers should have seen that this would damage the balance of the game by doing this.
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programmers are working on story line and its problem with your hero abilities not monsters overbalanced. maybe you should look at other heroes abilities to see how to distribute points, they can fight with strong monsters even without mercenaries which means it is possible
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programmers are working on story line and its problem with your hero abilities not monsters overbalanced. maybe you should look at other heroes abilities to see how to distribute points, they can fight with strong monsters even without mercenaries which means it is possible
Che, take a look to the top 10 players.... wich is the common factor?... they more developed attribute is Vitality... so the game goes to everyone droping as much points into vit as possible and that's it?... That is not having other strategy that a bag of HP... i'm shure thy kill the bosses.... by boring them!
Since a month now new changes where implemented.. (without fixing the bugs or balance they modified) and most of them i think where ment to do the game harder, but they only made the game boring and tidius, who is willing to play something like this? every day worst.
many things should be changed before this update, and MANY others should be THINKED before implementing this update.
The updates/changes are done to make something better, not worst
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ok then. i will try to have opened mind now. tell me what is wrong with changes and we will speak about it. why they are wrong and what is need to do to make it better.
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ok then. i will try to have opened mind now. tell me what is wrong with changes and we will speak about it. why they are wrong and what is need to do to make it better.
That's the spirit!!!
There is no need to argue! It is sure that every change will have supporters and opposition. I believe they knew about the coming storm when they decide the changes.
About the vitality now.
The Vitality is how much health you have, randomly picking from the first five of betha server:
1)health 2257 damage up to 533
2)health 2220 damage up to 627
3)health 2040 damage up to 508
and now a lv 18 hero:
health 665 damage up to 40
so with simply maths health has a multiplier x3.2 and damage has a multiplier x13.9
This means that yes they have a lot of health but they are not kill bosses but boring them but slashing them since their damage is enormous.
the 3 are one of each class and lv18 hero is warrior.
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About the vitality now.
The Vitality is how health you have, randomly picking from the first five of betha server:
1)health 2257 damage up to 533
2)health 2220 damage up to 627
3)health 2040 damage up to 508
That Means that 200 Stat points were given to just vitality alone if he is a ranger or mage ( like my class ) and at lv 39 I have only received 195 Points So unless I have No armor ,because I now have to have str 50 just to wear all my armor I paid for, I am left with 1950 health and 5 str 10 dex and 10 agility and 5 int
With armor I can only get 1450 ( now I know this is without magic items But still they only help so much )
This is a valid problem I try to give my character agility to evade hits so I don't need a lot of HP but I can avoid 15 attacks out of 17 and still lose when a lv 32 hits me twice the way things are we are being punished for not picking the warrior class. The super powered bear is just way out of line if we get 5 attribute points for a lv the bear gets 20 the monsters are Far stronger than they should be and it would be nice if the game was fair. or at least fair for rangers and mages
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The main attribute source is from equipment.
Always a well balanced character is much better for a specialized one coz he is all-around.
Until now the rangers was far better from the warriors...You are the first, as far as i know, who claim otherwise...
You maybe find hard the game because you do not have good equipment or made bad skill selection. But if a game is a park walk who will play it? I want to say it must be some challenge after all.
Try use some merc with buffs or some attribute potion. :)
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you are just running in circle Nautrax was right its Like agility and dex have No meaning. Its Just Get Vitality and Deal with it that's the only answer I am getting from anyone
Why bother fixing the problem Just blame the players and convince them they need to spend diamonds to redistribute the attribute points to set more vitality
I have great Armor and jewelry but its set to my class Not a mage Not a warrior a ranger Dex and Agility. Yet its my fault I don't have vitality and the Monsters are supped up in regular dungeons
Set agility to give a better evasion bonus than 1% for every 10 even at 200 agility you only get a 20% evasion bonus. Make it more fair
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you are just running in circle Nautrax was right its Like agility and dex have No meaning. Its Just Get Vitality and Deal with it that's the only answer I am getting from anyone
Why bother fixing the problem Just blame the players and convince them they need to spend diamonds to redistribute the attribute points to set more vitality
I have great Armor and jewelry but its set to my class Not a mage Not a warrior a ranger Dex and Agility. Yet its my fault I don't have vitality and the Monsters are supped up in regular dungeons
Set agility to give a better evasion bonus than 1% for every 10 even at 200 agility you only get a 20% evasion bonus. Make it more fair
you even dont understand this game. evasion depends on difference between your agility and enemy dexterity. dexterity give you chance to make critical hit which is much better than strength bonus, strength increase hit and decrease block chance, intelligence give you spirit and EXP bonus. to balance game all abilities should be same important for all class
PS agility decrease critical hit by 1 for every 10 points
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I do balance My stats you are Basically telling us NOT to balance Just get a good weapon and Fill up on vitality 2250 Vitality is almost all your attribute points including with magic items
and We are still dancing around the real issue its Not my stats, my stats are fine its the OVER POWERED MONSTERS and the Locking us out from fighting the only normal ones in the Game until we take quest that don't exist.
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Yes. Quests dont exists cause game is beta and is still developed. but why monsters in multistage dungeons are better to fight than in normal dungeons? this monsters have same statistics.
second, how you can win with 3-4 monsters which have at least 35% chance to hit you without health? you want to tell us we are forcing you to spend points on this or something else, but do you know how many players play this game? and how many players write here cause this game is wrong? problem is cause you have problem to make hero enough good to fight with equal enemys not with game balance. this is my private opinion
just look at accounts with level 35 and vitality 70-80, which is only 800 health points
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You Balance your stats?
Strength->55
Vitality->70
agility->179.5
dex->194.5
int->13
This is not balance...
And i totally agree with Che.
If you cannot kill a tier 4 mob you can always try a tier 3.
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Oh and what would I need with more int I barly get 5 hits in my vitality is almost 800 with magic and str I have been forces to use I attack with critical hits
YOU ARE FORCING PLAYERS TO USE DIAMONDS TO REDISTRIBUTE THERE STUFF
After I go and change it around whats to Keep you guys from doing this again making it so I keep getting blocked until I raise my Dex I am a ranger NOT a warrior I am not to focus on stats like Vitality and Str
Has any of you ever played a D&D game in your life its like there was No prier experience in fantasy Game play Done by anyone creating this game.
Rangers are made to run fast and Hit in between the cracks of his enemy's armor. the way you guys are setting things up its like the revolutionary War lets all stand in a straight line and throw rocks at each other No skill No thought put into this at all
and YOU GUYS ARE STILL BLAMING THE PLAYERS FOR SOMETHING YOUR ADMINS DID STOP TRYING TO MAKE THIS TO BE ARE FAULT.
Make it FAIR or at least be honest with us and tell us that you all like messing with our hard work I am getting tired of the run around like you think we are stupid
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man, did you read what we write here? and who forced you to spend diamonds on redistributing attribute points? all players get yesterday chance to redistribute all attribute points for free. and this is not D&D.
this are basic attributes hero level 39 (ranger). and really i think it is not best possible distribution
Strength 20
Vitality 65
Agility 112
Dexterity 58
Intelligence 20
for him is not problem to fight, i think (i dont know him, and never spoke with him)
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this is my stats
Strength->55
Vitality->70
agility->179.5
dex->194.5
int->13
And make up your minds the one guy says Mine are bad you say this is Normal and it works for him so be happy
Strength 20
Vitality 65
Agility 112
Dexterity 58
Intelligence 20
I have better than what you suggest and I am losing the problem is ONCE again there is monster in all normal dungeons that is 2xs more powerful than all the other Mob monster if a marauder has 600hp and attack of 240 and there are 3 of them One of these guys has 1200hp and attack of 480 This is No longer a simple 30-32lv Marauder battle one of them is Double the Power SO he is NO longer lv 32 at best He Is LEVEL 64 plus 2 other 32lv guys ( the stats are Hypothetical so keep your pants on {but the super powered unfair monster is not hypothetical})
Its simple one day I woke up and all the dungeons I used to fight in I could no longer win in and all my guild members had the same problem and everyone I talked to HATED it No one Likes it it is ruining the game there is something to making a game difficult its another thing to make it impossible and down right infuriating.
JUST FIX IT. No more excuses No more oh its your stats just ask the admins to even out the monsters power so a mob of lv 32 monster is a mob of lv 32 monsters not a couple lv 32 and oh yea lets toss in a lv 64 Monster Just to screw with you.
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did you heard about "boss" in this game? its true "boss" have 2x better parameters and its from beginning, means from april
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you even dont understand this game. evasion depends on difference between your agility and enemy dexterity. dexterity give you chance to make critical hit which is much better than strength bonus, strength increase hit and decrease block chance, intelligence give you spirit and EXP bonus. to balance game all abilities should be same important for all class
PS agility decrease critical hit by 1 for every 10 points
che, i hope you guys understand this is not against you, you are the link bettwen players and Admins/developers.
Read what you wrote and tell me if that don't benefit warriors too much and makes rangers and mistyks worst...
The way i play... i try to have the max evade possible and the max critical possible and still using +6 pots in vit-agy-dext + a warrior tank (lv38; 1.2K hp; 2.2K Def) i can't win against lv30-32 mobs.. and the few times i won, it was so deam expensive that is not a profit in any way.
the changes should be re-evaluated, and we are not tallking about pvp yet...
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i know its not against me. im just level 23 now and dont know how is in tier 4, but only few players tell they have problems. and im sure programmers have all statistics from all battles and this is reason why they make mobs harder. you can see it when you check parameters from my old programme and parameters from game. if most players will have problem with enemies level equal to them im sure they will lower they parameters
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I'm far below Tier4 but hearing all the arguments and seeng litle stats exmple posted above by Crassus here are my thoughts.
>>About the vitality now.
>>The Vitality is how much health you have, randomly picking from the first five of betha server:
>>1)health 2257 damage up to 533
>>2)health 2220 damage up to 627
>>3)health 2040 damage up to 508
>>and now a lv 18 hero:
>>health 665 damage up to 40
>>so with simply maths health has a multiplier x3.2 and damage has a multiplier x13.9
I can see that balance is a bit broken. The higher the tier the less is increase in health and the more damage player/monster deals. The ration Health/Damage gets lower and lower. So it is no wonder that Tier4 players die so fast. From the stats above we see that only 4-5 damage ~500 hits are needed to reduce health of 2000+ to zero. So it's a very fast battle of about 3-4 rounds if the're 2 or 3 monsters. Luck plays much higer role here. On the lowere Tiers battles are statistically more balanced because they take longer, can be 20 rounds or more.
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I finally see a ranger complaining :D
A ranger can kill a warrior (one with 2000 hp) even before warrior could hit him once. So don't tell it is hard for a ranger to fight.
And your stats are not so good. But thanks to your class till now you didn't have problems
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I'm far below Tier4 but hearing all the arguments and seeng litle stats exmple posted above by Crassus here are my thoughts.
>>About the vitality now.
>>The Vitality is how much health you have, randomly picking from the first five of betha server:
>>1)health 2257 damage up to 533
>>2)health 2220 damage up to 627
>>3)health 2040 damage up to 508
>>and now a lv 18 hero:
>>health 665 damage up to 40
>>so with simply maths health has a multiplier x3.2 and damage has a multiplier x13.9
I can see that balance is a bit broken. The higher the tier the less is increase in health and the more damage player/monster deals. The ration Health/Damage gets lower and lower. So it is no wonder that Tier4 players die so fast. From the stats above we see that only 4-5 damage ~500 hits are needed to reduce health of 2000+ to zero. So it's a very fast battle of about 3-4 rounds if the're 2 or 3 monsters. Luck plays much higer role here. On the lowere Tiers battles are statistically more balanced because they take longer, can be 20 rounds or more.
I totally agree with this post. I'm one of the cited above players and I can confirm that now luck plays the most important role in each battle because of the ratio health/damage. I have a number of battles against rare mobs (what you called bosses) witch end before it's even my turn to hit, because of the 2 or 3 mobs with range 4 that kill me for the first 4 rounds even though their chances to hit me are 35%. Not to mention battle that I was killed because of a critical even though the mob has a 1% chance for it or the one for last night mob with 9% chance of critical makes 2 critical out of 3hits that he menage. With this examples I'm just trying to prove the previous statement that in a battle this fast luck is more important than anything else.
I can see only one way to decrease the luck factor and that is to return the ratio of health/damage to more normal values. One way to be done is for each lvl up the hero could recieve permenent health points, not distributed by the player but directly added to his hero. Although I'm unsure how this solution will change the balance between the different class of heros, but it's a rough suggestion and it could e worked around.
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yes i tottaly agree with this theme!
im havig around 1000 hp, ad fighting with 2, 3 or more monsters with health above 2000 and damage like me....
that is just toooooooo much hp and damage
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Ahh I am not the only one.
Rangers and Mages are being punished I am about to fight a Mob
Possible enemies :
Crocodile, Swamp turtle
Level:
33 - 36
Quantity :
Group of 2
I am going to show you the Problem This is a simple 2 on 1 battle should be NO problem for a lv 39 ranger
Team Team
Name Sanosama
Level 39
Class: Ranger
Damage 91.4125 - 325.09
Range: 2
Critical Hit Chance: 48%
Block Chance: 35.96%
Total Armor: 1692
Items' Agility Modifier: 0%
Items' Dextirity Modifier: 0%
Now look at 2 simple lv 35 crocs
Name Crocodile
Level 35
Class: None
Damage 182 - 365
Range: 0
Critical Hit Chance: 4%
Block Chance: 0%
Total Armor: 1804
Items' Agility Modifier: 0%
Items' Dextirity Modifier: 0%
Health before battle:
1478
OH WHATS THIS this is Not a lv 35 croc Here we have a BOSS monster or as I like to call it a Level 70 Monster because its Double what a lv 35 monster has. Fair this is a Joke Get rid of these so called BOSS monsters or at least make them More Boss like less GOD like
Name Crocodile
Level 35
Class: None
Damage 365 - 730
Range: 0
Critical Hit Chance: 8%
Block Chance: 0%
Total Armor: 3609
Items' Agility Modifier: 0%
Items' Dextirity Modifier: 0%
Health before battle:
2956
I fought in this dungeon a lot before the admins changed it I won a lot some times they got lucky and beat me that's life its a Game Now I go in 100 times out of a 100 I may win twice if I am lucky.
All I ask is we fix the problems that were made even out the monsters to be fair to all the players and open up the multi stage dungeons
Don't get us wrong there are things We like about the new updates fighting other warriors in a dungeon that's Like PVP back in my Ultima online days and the adding of story that's great We like that but going to dungeons and story don't make up for the fact we can no longer play the game because the monster "BOSSES" are too powerful.
And telling us to go down and fight tier 3 monsters right I would if we weren't punished XP wise for leveling up I would fight tier 3 but I may get 100xp out of it that's not worth the action point.
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you have my vote!!!
totally agree!!