is normal ?

[Xpertiza]

i don`t know if it`s reported
http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26582549.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=97276949.jpg

prices are set randomly ? the same thing with potions and bananas

[isolde]

I believe in shops in different provinces bread and other goods cost different - it is cheapest in Hope village but in some of the other provinces, I have noticed as well prices are variable...I guess part of the global economony

[Xpertiza]

yes yes, global economony

[radooo]

yes yes, global economony

encrypted message... economoney

[Starbuck]

encrypted message... economoney

you meant eco-mony ? 

[isolde]

You people are horrible ! I make one spelling mistake and 3 people come and spam it

[radooo]

You people are horrible ! I make one spelling mistake and 3 people come and spam it

I don't miss spam opportunities

[Starbuck]

Team 1   Team 2
Name : Starbuck
Level : 14
Class : Ranger
Damage(MIN) : 4.0126
Damage(MAX) : 31.2945
Range : 3
Critical Chance : 16%
Block percentage : 0%
Armor : 207
Items' Agility Modifyer: 0%
Items' Dextirity Modifyer: 0%


Name : Merc
Level : 14
Class : Warrior
Damage(MIN) : 16
Damage(MAX) : 33
Range : 0
Critical Chance : 0%
Block percentage : 17.4%
Armor : 89
Items' Agility Modifyer: 0%
Items' Dextirity Modifyer: 0%


   Name : Marauder
Level : 16
Class : None
Damage(MIN) : 18.0168
Damage(MAX) : 22.0205
Range : 0
Critical Chance : 2%
Block percentage : 23%
Armor : 64
Items' Agility Modifyer: %
Items' Dextirity Modifyer: %


Name : Marauder - Archer
Level : 16
Class : None
Damage(MIN) : 3.82657
Damage(MAX) : 21.0461
Range : 2
Critical Chance : 3%
Block percentage : 0%
Armor : 35
Items' Agility Modifyer: %
Items' Dextirity Modifyer: %


Name : Marauder - Archer
Level : 16
Class : None
Damage(MIN) : 3.82657
Damage(MAX) : 21.0461
Range : 2
Critical Chance : 3%
Block percentage : 0%
Armor : 35
Items' Agility Modifyer: %
Items' Dextirity Modifyer: %


Round 1

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck doesn't have an opponent, therefore he chooses Marauder - Archer. Level difference modifyer is 0.9
Starbuck hits Marauder - Archer for 29.587056666667 and he is left with 160.41 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.

Merc is with lower weapon range, current distance is 3.

Team 2 takes turn
Marauder is with lower weapon range, current distance is 3.
Marauder - Archer is with lower weapon range, current distance is 3.
Marauder - Archer is with lower weapon range, current distance is 3.

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder - Archer for 29.587056666667 and he is left with 130.83 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.

Merc is with lower weapon range, current distance is 2.

Team 2 takes turn
Marauder is with lower weapon range, current distance is 2.
Marauder - Archer doesn't have an opponent, therefore he chooses Merc. Level difference modifyer is 1.1
Marauder - Archer 13/15.818181818182 Block successful..
Marauder - Archer doesn't have an opponent, therefore he chooses Merc. Level difference modifyer is 1.1
Marauder - Archer 2/15.818181818182 Block successful..

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder - Archer for 29.587056666667 and he is left with 101.24 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.

Merc is with lower weapon range, current distance is 1.

Team 2 takes turn
Marauder is with lower weapon range, current distance is 1.
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.4180426666667 from 15.112766666667
Marauder - Archer hits Merc for 12.694724 and he is left with 176.31 health.
Marauder - Archer 7/15.818181818182 Block successful..
Round 2

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder - Archer for 29.587056666667 and he is left with 71.65 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.

Merc doesn't have an opponent, therefore he chooses Marauder - Archer. Level difference modifyer is 0.9
Attacker's stance reduces damage taken by 4.9066666666667 from 30.666666666667
Merc hits Marauder - Archer for 25.76 and he is left with 164.24 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Marauder doesn't have an opponent, therefore he chooses Merc. Level difference modifyer is 1.1
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.882688 from 18.0168
Marauder hits Merc for 15.134112 and he is left with 161.17 health.
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.4180426666667 from 15.112766666667
Marauder - Archer hits Merc for 12.694724 and he is left with 148.48 health.
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.4180426666667 from 15.112766666667
Marauder - Archer hits Merc for 12.694724 and he is left with 135.78 health.
Round 3

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder - Archer for 29.587056666667 and he is left with 42.06 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.

Merc 77/65.7 hit evaded.

Team 2 takes turn
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.882688 from 18.0168
Marauder hits Merc for 15.134112 and he is left with 120.65 health.
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.4180426666667 from 15.112766666667
Marauder - Archer hits Merc for 12.694724 and he is left with 107.95 health.
Marauder - Archer 5/15.818181818182 Block successful..
Round 4

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder - Archer for 93.427836666667 and he is left with -51.36 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.
A critical hit is performed 7/16!

Attacker's stance reduces damage taken by 4.9066666666667 from 30.666666666667
Merc hits Marauder - Archer for 25.76 and he is left with 138.48 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.882688 from 18.0168
Marauder hits Merc for 15.134112 and he is left with 92.82 health.
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.4180426666667 from 15.112766666667
Marauder - Archer hits Merc for 12.694724 and he is left with 80.12 health.
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.4180426666667 from 15.112766666667
Marauder - Archer hits Merc for 12.694724 and he is left with 67.43 health.
Marauder - Archer has been defeated!

Round 5

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck doesn't have an opponent, therefore he chooses Marauder. Level difference modifyer is 0.9
Starbuck 4/25.555555555556 Block successful..
Attacker's stance reduces damage taken by 4.9066666666667 from 30.666666666667
Merc hits Marauder - Archer for 25.76 and he is left with 112.72 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Marauder 3/15.818181818182 Block successful..
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.4180426666667 from 15.112766666667
Marauder - Archer hits Merc for 12.694724 and he is left with 54.73 health.
Round 6

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck 5/25.555555555556 Block successful..
Attacker's stance reduces damage taken by 4.9066666666667 from 30.666666666667
Merc hits Marauder - Archer for 25.76 and he is left with 86.96 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Marauder 11/15.818181818182 Block successful..
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.4180426666667 from 15.112766666667
Marauder - Archer hits Merc for 12.694724 and he is left with 42.04 health.
Round 7

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder for 91.494503333333 and he is left with 458.51 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.
A critical hit is performed 14/16!

Attacker's stance reduces damage taken by 4.9066666666667 from 30.666666666667
Merc hits Marauder - Archer for 25.76 and he is left with 61.2 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.882688 from 18.0168
Marauder hits Merc for 15.134112 and he is left with 26.91 health.
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.4180426666667 from 15.112766666667
Marauder - Archer hits Merc for 12.694724 and he is left with 14.21 health.
Round 8

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder for 27.653723333333 and he is left with 430.85 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.

Attacker's stance reduces damage taken by 4.9066666666667 from 30.666666666667
Merc hits Marauder - Archer for 25.76 and he is left with 35.44 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.882688 from 18.0168
Marauder hits Merc for 15.134112 and he is left with -0.92 health.
Marauder - Archer doesn't have an opponent, therefore he chooses Merc. Level difference modifyer is 1.1
Defender's stance reduces damage taken by 2.4180426666667 from 15.112766666667
Marauder - Archer hits Merc for 12.694724 and he is left with -13.62 health.
Merc has been defeated!

Round 9

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder for 27.653723333333 and he is left with 403.2 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Marauder doesn't have an opponent, therefore he chooses Starbuck. Level difference modifyer is 1.1
Marauder 91/53.9 hit evaded.
Marauder - Archer doesn't have an opponent, therefore he chooses Starbuck. Level difference modifyer is 1.1
Marauder - Archer hits Starbuck for 7.2461 and he is left with 117.75 health.
Round 10

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder for 27.653723333333 and he is left with 375.54 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Marauder 89/53.9 hit evaded.
Marauder - Archer hits Starbuck for 7.2461 and he is left with 110.51 health.
Round 11

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder for 27.653723333333 and he is left with 347.89 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Marauder hits Starbuck for 18.0168 and he is left with 92.49 health.
Marauder - Archer hits Starbuck for 7.2461 and he is left with 85.24 health.
Round 12

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder for 27.653723333333 and he is left with 320.24 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Marauder 68/53.9 hit evaded.
Marauder - Archer 88/60.5 hit evaded.
Round 13

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck 21/25.555555555556 Block successful..

Team 2 takes turn
Marauder hits Starbuck for 18.0168 and he is left with 67.23 health.
Marauder - Archer hits Starbuck for 7.2461 and he is left with 59.98 health.
Round 14

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck 25/25.555555555556 Block successful..

Team 2 takes turn
Marauder 84/53.9 hit evaded.
Marauder - Archer 89/60.5 hit evaded.
Round 15

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck 4/25.555555555556 Block successful..

Team 2 takes turn
Marauder 80/53.9 hit evaded.
Marauder - Archer hits Starbuck for 7.2461 and he is left with 52.74 health.
Round 16

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck 1/25.555555555556 Block successful..

Team 2 takes turn
Marauder hits Starbuck for 18.0168 and he is left with 34.72 health.
Marauder - Archer 82/60.5 hit evaded.
Round 17

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck 6/25.555555555556 Block successful..

Team 2 takes turn
Marauder 68/53.9 hit evaded.
Marauder - Archer hits Starbuck for 7.2461 and he is left with 27.47 health.
Round 18

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck hits Marauder for 27.653723333333 and he is left with 292.58 health.Monster kills bonus adds 0.02 to damage.


Team 2 takes turn
Marauder hits Starbuck for 18.0168 and he is left with 9.46 health.
Marauder - Archer 72/60.5 hit evaded.
Round 19

Team 1 takes turn
Starbuck 5/25.555555555556 Block successful..

Team 2 takes turn
Marauder hits Starbuck for 18.0168 and he is left with -8.56 health.
Marauder - Archer doesn't have an opponent, therefore he chooses Starbuck. Level difference modifyer is 1.1
Marauder - Archer hits Starbuck for 7.2461 and he is left with -15.81 health.
Starbuck has been defeated!



Team 2 is victorious!
Starbuck battle statistics:
Successful/Attacks : 13/21
Damage Done : 498.77996333333
Critical hits done : 2
Merc battle statistics:
Successful/Attacks : 6/7
Damage Done : 154.56
Critical hits done : 0
Marauder battle statistics:
Successful/Attacks : 10/18
Damage Done : 165.75456
Critical hits done : 0
Marauder - Archer battle statistics:
Successful/Attacks : 15/20
Damage Done : 152.280492
Critical hits done : 0
Marauder - Archer battle statistics:
Successful/Attacks : 2/5
Damage Done : 25.389448
Critical hits done : 0

Battle generation time: 0.081017 seconds.

[Starbuck]

I've got no problems with Marauders having a 25% chance of blocking attacks ... my turf is with how frequent you are able to block (both enemies and Mercs) : that defies probability !!
and it's not just an isolated case : the previous battle was just like that 

[Polymeron]

I looked over the battle. The marauders blocked 8/20 of Starbuck's attacks; but they also blocked 0/6 of Merc's attacks, putting them at 8/26. Merc managed to block 7/20 attacks directed at him.

A quick probabilistic analysis shows that the chances for 8 or better of 26 at 25% happens in 31.48% of the cases - roughly one of three battles you should see this ratio or even more blocks.

7/20 at 15% is more rare, though: 2.19% or one in 50, rather statistically significant.

I'll try taking a look in my next battles and see if I get any strange results.
I've made a nice little Excel calculator for this sort of thing when I still remembered the formula for it. If anyone wants it I'll upload it and post a link.

[Starbuck]

Actually, it's worse than that because out of 21 attacks I made :

8 were blocked (38%)
8 were evaded (38%)
5 went through (24%)

but really, what hits me is the frequency of low numbers used to validate the Block skills ... and this is what bothers me : the spread of the random numbers used for attacks.
instead of having an equal distribution (1% chance to hit any number), it looks like they are sorted by "groups" ...

and it is not just the Marauders : my Merc too was very successful at blocking enemy attacks.

I can't say for Critical Hits, coz many of them were likely "blocked" from testing ... but to see the skill lvl 5 reduced to 16% doesn't give me hope

[Polymeron]

Well, the probabilistic extrapolation I did was based on normal distribution; only the merc's performance is significantly aberrant in any way, and even that is within reason for a single occurrence. Although if you break it down to 0/6 and 8/20 the chances go down from 31.48% to 17.8% (of underperforming!) and 10.18% (of overperforming), respectively. Neither of this is still significant however, and in opposing directions, too. So I still think that as far as Block overperformance is concerned, only the merc could be considered aberrant.

As for avoidance, 8/21 at 35% is almost textbook. We're talking about a 46.35% chance for 8 or better evasions for 21 attacks. Flip of a coin really for getting 8 and more or 7 and less.

Aggregation is a more possible problem, though, and I also thought I saw such an effect - although that can be a result of random distribution also. Computerized randomizers usually aren't that great - but this sort of statistical analysis would take me longer to compile than simple Bernoulli distributions.


Bottom line: When we are presented with random results, our minds often find patterns that simply aren't there. That's a known effect in psychology (not going to touch on its relation with superstition just now). That doesn't mean you're wrong about aggregation or some bias - the randomizer may be acting up - but it also may be an artifact of our perception, nothing more.

[Starbuck]

As for avoidance, 8/21 at 35% is almost textbook. We're talking about a 46.35% chance for 8 or better evasions for 21 attacks. Flip of a coin really for getting 8 and more or 7 and less.

I'm not sure where you get your numbers Poly, but the average chance of my enemies to evade was 41.7% (which means they are on par with probabilities).
Marauder had an 46.1% and Marauder - Archer had an 39.5%

My turf is really with the Blocking Skill .... if it had been only 1 "unlucky" battle, I would agree with you that it might be a matter of perception.
But the same pattern emerged in the battle before that one, with an above-average blocking successes and a lack of random numbers ... basically, they looked like distribution groups of 5.

I will keep fighting more Humanoids, hoping to be wrong ....