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Counterattack on a stick not working properly (at all).
« on: April 30, 2010, 02:49:55 PM »
Work case:

Level 31 Mystic, Realm 3, name Woswaldo.

Excerpts from the combat log, relevant part in red:

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Team 2 takes turn
Damage reduced from 128.457 with 8
Heretic - Archer hits Woswaldo for 120.457 and the latter is left with 767.16 health.
Damage reduced from 28.0109 with 8
Plain lion hits Woswaldo for 20.0109 and the latter is left with 747.15 health.
Plain lion 4.53/22.777777777778 Block successful.
Woswaldo tries to counterattack Plain lion.
Woswaldo hits Plain lion for 63.7877484 and the latter is left with 768.21 health.
Monster kills bonus adds 8% to damage.

Plain lion 98.77/35 hit evaded.
Heretic - Archer 2.18/22.777777777778 Block successful.
Woswaldo tries to counterattack Heretic - Archer.
Woswaldo hits Heretic - Archer for 80.539827133333 and the latter is left with 335.46 health.
Monster kills bonus adds 6% to damage.


The fight is still available in his profile, it's the last one (first from the top), the combat quote is from 7th turn.

The mob in question has 367 armor.

Now for the calculations

80.53 (the damage inflicted)/1.06 (given the 6% bonus from monster kill bonus)+367/15 (armor mitigation, 24.46 damage mitigation)=100.4317 total damage inflicted before mitigation.

Now, the character in question has 3/6 in counterattack hence he counterattacks with 45% of the damage. 100.4317/0.45=223.1816 which is in line with the paper doll shown damage, 221 given the round ups and whatnot.

 The problem is the character in question has a staff equipped that provides Counterattack +3. So he should have Counterattack 6, therefore should hit for 80% of the damage mitigated by armor etc.

 I verified with another character that has plain 6/6 counterattack (MDMD, realm 3) and she hits for 80% from the maximum damage shown on paper doll, mitigated by armor, obviously.

The only viable conclusion is that the bonus doesn't work.

P.S.

The character in question (Woswaldo) has downgraded (hence re-skilled) Counterattack 3 given the fact that you can't have more than max rank using bonus skill items  :o
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Re: Counterattack on a stick not working properly (at all).
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 12:10:34 AM »
Bumping with the fact that I recently got a really awful epic hasta which has retaliate 4. I have base 4/7 in retaliate so when retaliate proccs it gives me 12% crit rate. With the hasta equipped the combat log looks like this :
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Team 1 takes turn
DMDM tries to use the skill Retaliate that adds 12% to his Critical Hit Chance.
DMDM tries to use the skill Ambush    that adds 10% to his Critical Hit Chance.
DMDM hits Dark Follower - Archer for 684.47493333333 and the latter is left with -238.95 health.
Monster kills bonus adds 2% to damage.

Not working at all. Can we have a saying on this ?
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Re: Counterattack on a stick not working properly (at all).
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 10:05:45 AM »
Work case:

Level 31 Mystic, Realm 3, name Woswaldo.

Excerpts from the combat log, relevant part in red:

The fight is still available in his profile, it's the last one (first from the top), the combat quote is from 7th turn.

The mob in question has 367 armor.

Now for the calculations

80.53 (the damage inflicted)/1.06 (given the 6% bonus from monster kill bonus)+367/15 (armor mitigation, 24.46 damage mitigation)=100.4317 total damage inflicted before mitigation.

Now, the character in question has 3/6 in counterattack hence he counterattacks with 45% of the damage. 100.4317/0.45=223.1816 which is in line with the paper doll shown damage, 221 given the round ups and whatnot.

 The problem is the character in question has a staff equipped that provides Counterattack +3. So he should have Counterattack 6, therefore should hit for 80% of the damage mitigated by armor etc.

 I verified with another character that has plain 6/6 counterattack (MDMD, realm 3) and she hits for 80% from the maximum damage shown on paper doll, mitigated by armor, obviously.

The only viable conclusion is that the bonus doesn't work.

P.S.

The character in question (Woswaldo) has downgraded (hence re-skilled) Counterattack 3 given the fact that you can't have more than max rank using bonus skill items  :o

Not Counterattack +3, but Counterattack 3.

That means, that you don't have Counterattack 3/6 + 3 from the staff but it's 3.
The system compares the 2 skills - the one of your Hero's skills and the other of your weapon, and chooses the higher one.

Judith

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Re: Counterattack on a stick not working properly (at all).
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 10:18:20 AM »
Bumping with the fact that I recently got a really awful epic hasta which has retaliate 4. I have base 4/7 in retaliate so when retaliate proccs it gives me 12% crit rate. With the hasta equipped the combat log looks like this :
Not working at all. Can we have a saying on this ?

The same applies for your case too.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2010, 10:21:30 AM by Judith »

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Re: Counterattack on a stick not working properly (at all).
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 10:34:06 AM »
I'm pretty sure there was an "official" post somewhere that was saying that the bonus on items won't make you go over maximum skill.
i.e. having retaliate 4 and using that hasta that has retaliate 4 won't get you to 8 because something like that doesn't exist, maximum rank being 7. I will look for it an quote it here when I get the chance.

Edit:

Can't find the post, might have been included in the game's "News" section which now I can't see anymore. Regardless, if that's what the mechanics are then that's what the mechanics are. I'll just know to stay away from that kind of items. Can't say I see any kind of logic for those bonuses if they don't stack with what you already have besides making the process of crafting/finding a good item way harder but that's just me.

Lock the topic, it's "working as intended".
« Last Edit: May 03, 2010, 10:52:26 AM by DMDM »
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